What Happened to Slaver's Exile? - Guild Wars Forums

Tristan Dark · Jan 13, 2008, 05:20 AM // 05:20

Out of pure curiosity, since last night in Slaver's Exile (only Duncan's area, haven't noticed this in thom/rand, selve, or forge), the aggro has not been staying on the tank. Regardless of who I have gone with (and I have been going with people who have been doing it flawlessly many times), the aggro just runs right by the tank no matter how far away we are, and the first group obliterates us.

Did Anet do something to make it harder? (regardless of mode, the aggro still does this even in NM)

If so, why wasn't it mentioned in the game updates?

Of course, if this is just one long string of bad luck, disregard this. My guild and many others have told me that the same things have been happening to them in Duncan's area of Slaver's.

End · Jan 13, 2008, 05:25 AM // 05:25

I think it might just be your bad luck because I personally didn't have that problem today... maybe I'm just lucky though

Brianna · Jan 13, 2008, 05:55 AM // 05:55

Do you have cookies in your pockets? that'd be a logical explanation, I know they love cookies.

You can't see me · Jan 13, 2008, 06:13 AM // 06:13

My senses tell me that you are standing too close to the tank, or you have a bad tank. I only seem to have that problem on a few mobs in Duncan. The key is to stay at least 1.5 agro bubbles away from the tank when he's gathering agro. If your group does not have this concept down I suggest finding a new PuG. What can also be the casue of this is your tank standing too far away from physical barriers, which are key in tanking Slaver's Exile. If you're tank is standing too far away, get a new tank.

Also, make sure your elementalists start the attack with meteor shower, and not Savanah Heat for knockdown on top of snares.

ValaOfTheFens · Jan 13, 2008, 06:30 AM // 06:30

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Originally Posted by Brianna

Do you have cookies in your pockets? that'd be a logical explanation, I know they love cookies.

*lol* Snails love cookies too.

That happened to me the other day in Cathedral of Flames. The Charr just ran past Melonni and took a bite out of me. I was wearing tat armor so I don't have any pockets for cookies.

Zeek Aran · Jan 13, 2008, 06:34 AM // 06:34

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Originally Posted by ValaOfTheFens

*lol* Snails love cookies too.

That happened to me the other day in Cathedral of Flames. The Charr just ran past Melonni and took a bite out of me. I was wearing tat armor so I don't have any pockets for cookies.

They know where you hide your cookies.

upier · Jan 13, 2008, 06:37 AM // 06:37

BTW - does this part of the game NEED aggro control?
Or can be it be done without the use of farming strategies?

(Just wondering since I don't have GWEN ....)

MisterB · Jan 13, 2008, 06:49 AM // 06:49

Just don't use a tank.
Problem solved.
There might be something to this cookie business, too. Make sure you query all party memebers before heading out just in case. Especially the monks. Monsters know monks have the tastiest cookies.

TaCktiX · Jan 13, 2008, 07:00 AM // 07:00

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Originally Posted by upier

BTW - does this part of the game NEED aggro control?
Or can be it be done without the use of farming strategies?

(Just wondering since I don't have GWEN ....)

You need a tank for Slaver's. The mob size is through the roof, and no non-dedicated-tank build will make it through without needing Consumables.

Curse You · Jan 13, 2008, 07:16 AM // 07:16

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Originally Posted by TaCktiX

You need a tank for Slaver's. The mob size is through the roof, and no non-dedicated-tank build will make it through without needing Consumables.

So how then did I manage to do Justiciar Thommis with just Heroes and Henchmen, with no tank or comsumables?

ShadowsRequiem · Jan 13, 2008, 07:18 AM // 07:18

Whats a tank?

Oo

arcanemacabre · Jan 13, 2008, 07:31 AM // 07:31

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Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem

Whats a tank?

Oo

You know, Ursan.

Sakura Az · Jan 13, 2008, 08:32 AM // 08:32

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Originally Posted by TaCktiX

You need a tank for Slaver's. The mob size is through the roof, and no non-dedicated-tank build will make it through without needing Consumables.

i'm convinced that no area in the game requires the use of a tank. tanks just slow down the killing.^^ thats my opinion on it anyways.

slavers.. been too lazy to go in there recently.. but somedays you just have a bad time with agro, today was one of those days for me, couldn't get them to stop going straight for my monks or getting them off of my monks.

zwei2stein · Jan 13, 2008, 08:50 AM // 08:50

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Originally Posted by TaCktiX

You need a tank for Slaver's. The mob size is through the roof, and no non-dedicated-tank build will make it through without needing Consumables.

No, you dont. (HM duncan, no "tanks" or "consumables" were necesary, hell, didnt even use good ol SY).

If you l2p, tank only slows you down and wastes party slot.

Aum · Jan 13, 2008, 08:54 AM // 08:54

Tank biases aside, no area in the game requires any character class... except of course Monk.

MisterB · Jan 13, 2008, 09:01 AM // 09:01

No, not even Monk. There's the 12 Warriors in the Deep, Avarre has run 8 Mesmers in FoW, I saw an 8 Paragon team in FoW, and I seem to recall an 8 Ranger team in UW when the game first came out. That's just a few I've seen here on Guru. I'm sure it has been done many more times with other classes.

A11Eur0 · Jan 13, 2008, 09:26 AM // 09:26

Tank in slaver's = ball up enemies at a corner, survives 100% damage input, and allows nukers behind to do their job safely and efficiently.

I've noticed a large difference in speed through Slaver's with a tank and without...(ele tank dc'd so monk bonded my ranger, used as a tank with stances, beat Forge that way, but lost alot of aggro sometimes.)

Tristan Dark · Jan 13, 2008, 09:42 AM // 09:42

Disregard that, it was massively bad luck. It was just a lot of it happening at once.

But I appreciate the advice. Each run after, I took notes on what went wrong, and most of those showed up here in the explanations, believe it or not. Woot for the dispelling of a rather disturbing hunch, and double woot for the ridding of the bad luck.

Part of Duncan itself is luck, as PuG situations will have the inevitable ragequit or disconnect (de facto ragequit, etc.). 80% of the time (minus this bad luck streak that prompted the study and creation of this thread), when 8/8 stayed, victory was attained.

Again, thanks for clearing it up!

upier · Jan 13, 2008, 10:05 AM // 10:05

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Originally Posted by Curse You

So how then did I manage to do Justiciar Thommis with just Heroes and Henchmen, with no tank or comsumables?

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Originally Posted by Sakura Az

i'm convinced that no area in the game requires the use of a tank. tanks just slow down the killing.^^ thats my opinion on it anyways.

slavers.. been too lazy to go in there recently.. but somedays you just have a bad time with agro, today was one of those days for me, couldn't get them to stop going straight for my monks or getting them off of my monks.

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

No, you dont. (HM duncan, no "tanks" or "consumables" were necesary, hell, didnt even use good ol SY).

If you l2p, tank only slows you down and wastes party slot.

Thanks guys for restoring my faith that GW PvE didn't degrade even more!

blue.rellik · Jan 13, 2008, 10:17 AM // 10:17

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

Tank in slaver's = ball up enemies at a corner, survives 100% damage input, and allows nukers behind to do their job safely and efficiently.

I've noticed a large difference in speed through Slaver's with a tank and without...(ele tank dc'd so monk bonded my ranger, used as a tank with stances, beat Forge that way, but lost alot of aggro sometimes.)

Considering that you think tanking is good, it's no wonder that you would be slower with a 'balanced build'

Jan 13, 2008, 05:20 AM // 05:20	#1
Tristan Dark Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: DC Guild: The Misanthropes [TM] Profession: Me/	What Happened to Slaver's Exile? Out of pure curiosity, since last night in Slaver's Exile (only Duncan's area, haven't noticed this in thom/rand, selve, or forge), the aggro has not been staying on the tank. Regardless of who I have gone with (and I have been going with people who have been doing it flawlessly many times), the aggro just runs right by the tank no matter how far away we are, and the first group obliterates us. Did Anet do something to make it harder? (regardless of mode, the aggro still does this even in NM) If so, why wasn't it mentioned in the game updates? Of course, if this is just one long string of bad luck, disregard this. My guild and many others have told me that the same things have been happening to them in Duncan's area of Slaver's.

Jan 13, 2008, 06:13 AM // 06:13	#4
You can't see me Forge Runner Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: USA Profession: P/W	My senses tell me that you are standing too close to the tank, or you have a bad tank. I only seem to have that problem on a few mobs in Duncan. The key is to stay at least 1.5 agro bubbles away from the tank when he's gathering agro. If your group does not have this concept down I suggest finding a new PuG. What can also be the casue of this is your tank standing too far away from physical barriers, which are key in tanking Slaver's Exile. If you're tank is standing too far away, get a new tank. Also, make sure your elementalists start the attack with meteor shower, and not Savanah Heat for knockdown on top of snares. Last edited by You can't see me; Jan 13, 2008 at 06:16 AM // 06:16..

Jan 13, 2008, 05:25 AM // 05:25	#2
End Forge Runner Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Rubbing Potassium on water fountains. Guild: LF guild that teaches MTSC (did it long ago before gw2 came out and I quit...but I barely remember) Profession: N/A	I think it might just be your bad luck because I personally didn't have that problem today... maybe I'm just lucky though

Jan 13, 2008, 05:55 AM // 05:55	#3
Brianna Insane & Inhumane Join Date: Feb 2006	Do you have cookies in your pockets? that'd be a logical explanation, I know they love cookies.

Jan 13, 2008, 06:37 AM // 06:37	#7
upier Grotto Attendant Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Done. Guild: [JUNK]	BTW - does this part of the game NEED aggro control? Or can be it be done without the use of farming strategies? (Just wondering since I don't have GWEN ....)

Jan 13, 2008, 06:49 AM // 06:49	#8
MisterB Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy Guild: [ban] Profession: W/	Just don't use a tank. Problem solved. There might be something to this cookie business, too. Make sure you query all party memebers before heading out just in case. Especially the monks. Monsters know monks have the tastiest cookies.

Jan 13, 2008, 07:18 AM // 07:18	#11
ShadowsRequiem Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2005 Guild: Inde is Smoking [Hawt] ToA Profession: W/E	Whats a tank? Oo

Jan 13, 2008, 08:54 AM // 08:54	#15
Aum Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2007	Tank biases aside, no area in the game requires any character class... except of course Monk.

Jan 13, 2008, 09:01 AM // 09:01	#16
MisterB Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy Guild: [ban] Profession: W/	No, not even Monk. There's the 12 Warriors in the Deep, Avarre has run 8 Mesmers in FoW, I saw an 8 Paragon team in FoW, and I seem to recall an 8 Ranger team in UW when the game first came out. That's just a few I've seen here on Guru. I'm sure it has been done many more times with other classes.

Jan 13, 2008, 09:26 AM // 09:26	#17
A11Eur0 Furnace Stoker Join Date: Apr 2005 Profession: W/	Tank in slaver's = ball up enemies at a corner, survives 100% damage input, and allows nukers behind to do their job safely and efficiently. I've noticed a large difference in speed through Slaver's with a tank and without...(ele tank dc'd so monk bonded my ranger, used as a tank with stances, beat Forge that way, but lost alot of aggro sometimes.)

Jan 13, 2008, 09:42 AM // 09:42	#18
Tristan Dark Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: DC Guild: The Misanthropes [TM] Profession: Me/	Disregard that, it was massively bad luck. It was just a lot of it happening at once. But I appreciate the advice. Each run after, I took notes on what went wrong, and most of those showed up here in the explanations, believe it or not. Woot for the dispelling of a rather disturbing hunch, and double woot for the ridding of the bad luck. Part of Duncan itself is luck, as PuG situations will have the inevitable ragequit or disconnect (de facto ragequit, etc.). 80% of the time (minus this bad luck streak that prompted the study and creation of this thread), when 8/8 stayed, victory was attained. Again, thanks for clearing it up!